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    I am fuckin speechless. Fuck music. Me and Prez is on some fam shit. I was with 29 and Prez yesterday at southcenter for half the day before the show. The sad part is that Me and Prez was makin shirts to give out at the stop the violence show tommorrow. The thing that absolutely kills me is that 29 really wanted me and element to do this track for him. He got locked up shortly after that and I actually seen him for the first time again yesterday. He was a very chill dude. No hatred in em at all about the proof/Seattle shit. That's because prez was instilling in em to get his hustle on and he was determined to get a better name in this city. Us outta towners is hard to try and come up out here (especially in seattle) because of the big mixing pot of artists but even worse because in situations like this, when somethin like this happens you have no family that can visit you. Its just so fucked up because you never know who can go next, I went from seein this dude 29 yesterday, giving him some free gear because he absolutely had no money, sharing drinks with em at the chop suey bar, now I gotta read bout em in the paper. Its fucked upLogicsMusic.COM
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      CommentAuthorM SEA
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    if its really over an arguement then i blame it on whoever gave this idiot a gun.[b]dawson:[/b] i respect the vivid detail with which your imagination is able to render another man's penis
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      CommentAuthorSuge White
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    It does seem odd but no one is going to be giving any details on here.
    • CommentAuthordjnphared
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
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    joey t:being real,
    I really wonder what the real purpose was behind this shooting.
    we can't sweep this under the usual "gang related" thing when no one knows what is going on and its at a hip hop show.
    the shooter was white and went directly into the hallway and opened fire from what i am reading. was he at the show to begin with?


    First off,
    Trama is crazy heard he proceeded to fight after he was shot and bleeding.
    Imma say this once and not get into it,
    From a direct source. It was all over someone "who had got robbed" before and he called in someone (not handling the issue himself) and the shooter knocked on the back door and let the shots go. The person with the initial beef got a stool broken over his face. End of story.LogicsMusic.COM
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      CommentAuthorak
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    just heard the news. This is a terrible event. I hope for the best for Prez and give condolences to 29e's fam.

    This is what the infamous "they" wanted and "they" got it. Everyone who has ever said Hip Hop is dangerous got proof for 2009 that Hip Hop is still a threat. This is the bull shit that sets everyone back whether it's born out of the music or not, whether it's over beats or drugs this happened at a hip hop show.

    I still can't believe it but at the same time it's time we take responsibility. Am I my brothers keeper? What the fuck is all this for? Why are we making music, is it for this? What are we doing to stop this from ever happening again? These are the questions we needed to ask before this happened.
    If all that comes out of the proof for this shit is a memorial and posting messages of condolence then fuck it, this whole forum is bull shit. let's stop talking about stopping this shit and actually do it.Akrish FRESH AVE BLOG
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    What Logics said seems about the most accurate. I saw most of everything and some things earlier in the night that make this seem true.It's The Life you sons of bitches!!
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    never met any of these people, but will continue to pray for them to pull through this.

    rip 29-e.

    i hate guns.

    ak:I still can't believe it but at the same time it's time we take responsibility. Am I my brothers keeper? What the fuck is all this for? Why are we making music, is it for this? What are we doing to stop this from ever happening again? These are the questions we needed to ask before this happened.
    If all that comes out of the proof for this shit is a memorial and posting messages of condolence then fuck it, this whole forum is bull shit. let's stop talking about stopping this shit and actually do it.
    www.myspace.com/evergreenonenw
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    What A bunch of Chimosos.... Man why dont you send a prayer for Prez... I was the last person with him when he was carted away and I stayed close to him and was the only one there with him as I tried to go out the back door, and instead of just stepping over the body like I usually would, I saw it was my guy, and he was alone so I stayed with him, checked his pulse, checked his eyes, checked for bullet location (Chest and Abdomen 3 to 4 shots) and his breathing... Then I told him "to keep his eyes open, stay with me and breathe steady brother" and then stayed with him and as soon as the police showed gave them his stat. So please send the guy a prayer and stop gossiping.... and by the way the police will be checking this blog for information for their investigation. Just FYI & Common sense...

    With Respect.....

    DJ P

    Solid Ground Entertainment/West Coast Division....
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      CommentAuthorjoey t
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    no ones gossiping bro, and if you have paid attention you would see that there has been nothing but prayers for all invovled.
    we just don't want the trail to get cold and stories and facts to turn into "you know what i heards" and myth.J Tunez is the lickS.U.B. is the cliiiiiicck!!!
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      CommentAuthorMcClarron
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    So what's next really though? I hear what everyone's sayin and it's ALL valid. But what's next. How do we as a hip-hop community move forward. What are the next steps to take and everything? All I know is prayers to any and everyone involved. Makes me not want to go to any shows anymore..cuz it sounds like 2 out of 3 were TOTALLY innocent from what I've read so far.Drop-Bomb - Drop Bombs Til the City Blows Up=ToP ! FLiTE= aka M!ke Check aka McClarron
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      CommentAuthorSuge White
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    "and instead of just stepping over the body like I usually would"
    • CommentAuthordjnphared
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    If you really stand by the belief that this had nothing to do with the music, then you won't let this affect your decision to go to shows or whatever have you. If this happened at a QFC, I'm not going to sit here and wonder what the grocer community needs to do to make sure this never happens and how we as grocery buying people can help the community. Knuckleheads are EVERYwhere.

    If anything, the security EVERYWHERE needs to be stepped up, and promoters need to be concious of overcrowded bills that encourage revolving door attendance. It's not safe to have "shifts" of patrons throughout the nightAin't nuttin worse, than a smart dumb nigga
    • CommentAuthordjnphared
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    Suge White:"and instead of just stepping over the body like I usually would"


    Foreal, I'm not going to defend people if they keep stepping on their own feet, THERE ARE PEOPLE LOOKING AT YOUR NAME AND WHAT YOU SAYAin't nuttin worse, than a smart dumb nigga
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      CommentAuthorjoey t
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    and stepped up secuirty does not = angry coulda been football players who pick fights with cats that don't cause trouble.J Tunez is the lickS.U.B. is the cliiiiiicck!!!
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      CommentAuthorjoey t
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009 edited
     
    djnphared:
    Suge White:"and instead of just stepping over the body like I usually would"


    Foreal, I'm not going to defend people if they keep stepping on their own feet, THERE ARE PEOPLE LOOKING AT YOUR NAME AND WHAT YOU SAY

    :cosign: and this is same person who said,

    djpheloneous.... and by the way the police will be checking this blog for information for their investigation. Just FYI & Common sense...
    J Tunez is the lickS.U.B. is the cliiiiiicck!!!
    • CommentAuthordjnphared
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    Very true, we need SMARTER security, not more AGGRESSIVE security. Assess the situation, don't be afraid to pat down someone wearing loose clothes, check bags, and do your job PROPERLY and RESPECTFULLY

    As if any of them read this board.Ain't nuttin worse, than a smart dumb nigga
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      CommentAuthorMcClarron
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    I don't think the music is totally without blame. In this situation though it wasn't involved with the show at all, BUT the happenings of many other events have been direct result of people being influenced by what they hear. I don't only mean hip-hop.

    ANY music that is violent or negative. And even STILL..it's all about the person. It's just that 95 percent of people are sheep who can't think and act for themselves, but only be influenced by what they hear. it's unfortunate. I'm happy there's still that 5 percent who know better than to act on stupidity.

    America the Beautiful.
    =!=Drop-Bomb - Drop Bombs Til the City Blows Up=ToP ! FLiTE= aka M!ke Check aka McClarron
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      CommentAuthorSuge White
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    I don't think anybody believes it has NOTHING to do with the type of crowd that was there. that's just some fantasy shit, the crowd/music/culture is a reflection of a larger problem. The dude didn't hear a song and decide to start shooting. There was a long progression of events that lead that person to be at the club with a loaded gun in a mind state to be capable of doing that. Just like there was a long progression of events that lead to the other kid robbing someone. Both series of events lead to people getting hurt last night. It wasn't directly related to the artist performing but it was wasn't a random act of violence either.
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      CommentAuthornotion
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    well said.

    rest in peace, 29-e.notioning.com
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      CommentAuthorD-SANE
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    Anywayz....I've been in direct contact with 29-E's family and they are trying to get their hands on all of his music. I've already talked to Sinic, who has recorded a lot of his material, and put 29-E's family in touch with him. If anybody else has any info on any other possible recordings he may have made, please let me know. Thanks.Musical Madman - www.myspace.com/d_sane
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      CommentAuthorSuge White
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    Blaming security is kind of silly IMO and maybe that's because I worked security at that club. But when people want to hurt other people they can do it especially with guns. I've opened that same door a million times in the past and nobody ever started shooting.

    Hip hop does have to start to own up to the glorification of the violence. It's been real muddy whether art was imitating life or vice versa for a long time. A lot of younger people have been inundated with violence from MANY media outlets their whole life and they are fucked up because of it. Is Hip Hop solely responsible? Not even close but we aren't innocent either.
    • CommentAuthordjnphared
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    I personally chose not to go and DJ for Fatal because I knew the type of people that go to this show and I didn't want to deal with any drama, so for me, I saw the lineup, interpreted the people that would attend, and decided I didn't need to be there. But at the same time, that decision had nothing to do with the fact that I felt someone was going to be brainwashed into firing inside of the venue.Ain't nuttin worse, than a smart dumb nigga
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    2 things, "stepping over the body like I usually would" means as to get the hell out of harms way as quickly as possible as i have been shot 2 times and dont want it to happen again and have seen to much violence in my life, anyone that knows me as a person and not a face knows my feelings about violence and the work I have done with kids to prevent violence... sorry that could of been worded better... and personally I really aint worried about people looking at me and what I say on this blog as if you judge anyone's character and create a opinion about them based of a blog and not personal interaction then you may want to re evaluate how you get to know someone ... but yes that could be worded better I agree Bro...

    the other thing, is my comment was not directed towards anyone in particular and I do see the post of those who are sending prayers and that is appreciated, but then you always have your 206 proof opinionist... Im not a blogger and I only stop by once a month or so, but I was curious what the bloggers were gonna say about this...

    With this I am out for a bit as usual, maybe I will see some of you at the hospital later today...

    Stop The Violence Break The Silence....

    Peace....
    • CommentAuthordjnphared
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009 edited
     
    And I don't blame this particular situation on Security, but I think it should serve as a wake up call, especially after the incident at Nectar.Ain't nuttin worse, than a smart dumb nigga
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    Damn, RIP 29-E! My thoughts and prayers go out to all the families and friends of the victims in this. I'm pulling for Prez and Trama's recovery!www.myspace.com/boomboxmassacre
    • CommentAuthorKatelyn
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    Yeah... to those of you who know the families, please please let me know if there's anything I can do - I can make food, I'm good at that.I write about music and stuff.
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    djnphared:Very true, we need SMARTER security, not more AGGRESSIVE security. Assess the situation, don't be afraid to pat down someone wearing loose clothes, check bags, and do your job PROPERLY and RESPECTFULLY

    As if any of them read this board.


    We just need smarter fuckin people. Handle your personal vendettas and business outside of shows and away from concert goers. We're all tryin to stack feddi in this recession and the last thing we need is another obsticle to clog the cash flow.
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      CommentAuthorD-SANE
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009 edited
     
    !Musical Madman - www.myspace.com/d_sane
    • CommentAuthordjnphared
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    That is why I've refused to fight at any show, I'll take the "bitch" labels all day, I'm not about to perpetuate something that could easily spiral out of control, I have way too much respect for this game.Ain't nuttin worse, than a smart dumb nigga
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      CommentAuthoreastside
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    npha is speaking the future. get with it.Matson on Music
    • CommentAuthordjnphared
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    E.Proportions:
    djnphared:Very true, we need SMARTER security, not more AGGRESSIVE security. Assess the situation, don't be afraid to pat down someone wearing loose clothes, check bags, and do your job PROPERLY and RESPECTFULLY

    As if any of them read this board.


    We just need smarter fuckin people. Handle your personal vendettas and business outside of shows and away from concert goers. We're all tryin to stack feddi in this recession and the last thing we need is another obsticle to clog the cash flow.


    It's true man, it's 2009, people gotta wake the fuck up and see what's going on around us. The violence is everywhere, and it just gets perpetuated more and more and more, from Seattle to Gaza. You can't chastise one small section of it and not look at the bigger picture. Small thinking leads to this, not thinking of the future or thinking beyond yourself.Ain't nuttin worse, than a smart dumb nigga
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      CommentAuthorD-SANE
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    Get with what? Let's all be passive and hold hands and sing Kumba-fuckin'-ya. Get real.Musical Madman - www.myspace.com/d_sane
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      CommentAuthorevergreenOne
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009 edited
     
    edit:nevermindwww.myspace.com/evergreenonenw
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    Evergreen now is not the time homie!www.myspace.com/boomboxmassacre
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      CommentAuthorD-SANE
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    You guys act like this shit started yesterday. It's been goin' on for YEARS and isn't going to stop anytime soon. These problems start at HOME and are a reflection of societal ills, not Hip-Hop music.

    Where were all of you when we were holding peace rally's in Westlake like 9yrs ago after some shit like this happened??? Did that make it stop? Did anybody care? No.Musical Madman - www.myspace.com/d_sane
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      CommentAuthoreastside
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    npha has a long-range thought process, and i think it's wise to get with that.

    i don't care to argue now, though.

    RIP

    i wish people could go to shows to forget about life for a while, not be reminded by it...Matson on Music
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      CommentAuthor11:30
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    djnphared:If you really stand by the belief that this had nothing to do with the music, then you won't let this affect your decision to go to shows or whatever have you. If this happened at a QFC, I'm not going to sit here and wonder what the grocer community needs to do to make sure this never happens and how we as grocery buying people can help the community. Knuckleheads are EVERYwhere.

    If anything, the security EVERYWHERE needs to be stepped up, and promoters need to be concious of overcrowded bills that encourage revolving door attendance. It's not safe to have "shifts" of patrons throughout the night
    :cosign:
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      CommentAuthorcatalyst
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    REST IN POWER 29-E. Prez is a fighter, he's got a lot of spirit, I'll be praying.Hawk A Lougie
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      CommentAuthoreastside
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    npha didn't talk about peace marches, he talked about shit he's (not) doing with his own actions.Matson on Music
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    D-SANE:Get with what? Let's all be passive and hold hands and sing Kumba-fuckin'-ya. Get real.


    Listen I'm a realist. I know there ain't a day on earth that anybodys gonna be all TellaTubbie friendly with each other since it ain't that type of world we live in. All I'm sayin is handle your fuckin shit elsewhere. When you jeapordize the lives of other people over some petty shit then that ain't right at all, man. If anything find some vacant woods somewhere and square it off.
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      CommentAuthorgatsworth
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    now i remember why i dont contribute to the stranger's blogs

    this is seriously heartbreaking. i agree that doing some symbolic kumbaya shit to make all involved feel like they've 'done something' is idiotic- but to just sign off the fate of what we do in this town, to allow town funk (even generations old town funk) to control this scene, is the most passive thing of all.

    all this insane violence just from the last year has touched all of us somehow. this shit just hits home on a new level because despite what those bitchmade slog-flies have to say about it- doing shows, being a part of hiphop in this town is one place i've always felt safe. of course it's hiphop and you have to be on point for weird shit but somebody just came into that hallway so many of us have loitered in before and opened fire. 3 active participants in making music in this town shot. one dead. prez' status bad. i'm not from fucking mayberry by any means but this shit has me fucked up.

    if we love this, we have to think of how to keep itThere's always politics involved when you're surrounded by cry babies.
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      CommentAuthorD-SANE
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    Right...and Bush should have just stepped in a ring with Hussein and put the gloves on instead of invading his country and jeopardizing the lives of THOUSANDS of people.

    It's human nature to kill. I don't agree with it, but that's the way it is. I don't want to hurt nobody, but if somebody tries to hurt me, then I'm not only going to defend myself, I'm going to retaliate. I can't lie, I have an anger problem that's hard to control. I've tried to control it, but it ain't easy. When you grow up in certain environments and are taught how to handle your problems a certain way, it's not so easy to deprogram yourself. Some of these kids are taught that this is the way to handle your problems, with a gun. It's nothing new and it's been happening for longer than any of us have been alive.

    You guys want to make a real difference in this world? Go work with some at risk youth or somethin'. Cuz all the security in the world can't stop things like this from happening, it's not the music that's causing it, it's broken homes and misguided kids perpetuating this shit.Musical Madman - www.myspace.com/d_sane
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      CommentAuthorgrendel
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    I haven't been on the Proof much because my laptop died...but this is horrible news! R.I.P.

    Also I have to disagree on the stop the violence shows and marches...you need to think of the greater implications. Sure it will do NOTHING to directly stop the violence, but 1) it brings the community together ad 2) it is visible to the powers that be. If the mayor and other politicians see something like that, they are more likely to try and address the actually problem and not scapegoat hip hop.reppin artists since 007 Saku Collins Entertainment & Media Law Group - Blogger at Les métaphores de la tristesse
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    D-SANE: Cuz all the security in the world can't stop things like this from happening, it's not the music that's causing it, it's broken homes and misguided kids perpetuating this shit.


    Kids have no respect for anything anymoreGet your proof caluses STOMP
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      CommentAuthorD-SANE
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009 edited
     
    Larry,

    Seriously...I think we should release a collective press release tomorrow to all the media outlets and denounce this violence. Set them straight and don't let them spend the next week publicly bashing our scene via the news. We have allies in positions at the various publications, etc...let's utilize them. If we just sit here and don't say anything as a whole, then they're just gonna continue to blame us like they always do and we'll just keep blaming each other.

    How's that for pro-active?Musical Madman - www.myspace.com/d_sane
    • CommentAuthordjnphared
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    I'm down with that idea, how can we get the ball rolling on that?Ain't nuttin worse, than a smart dumb nigga
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      CommentAuthorgatsworth
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    i'm down too, let me check on how to go aboutThere's always politics involved when you're surrounded by cry babies.
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      CommentAuthorAeon
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    Nobody should speculate on Prez's condition. Thoughts are so much more powerful then any of us know. We need to pray for him and keep a positive outlook. Good people like him don't deserve this. Keep your head up Prez, I'm pulling for you and so is everybody else who had the pleasure of talking with you.

    RIP to 29-E. I never met you but rest is peace. And good to hear Trauma is gettin released.

    Everybody just keep the positivity in your mind, for Prez's safety.
    • CommentAuthorKatelyn
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2009
     
    Send that press release my way, please. If I can help, let me know.I write about music and stuff.

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